2009 but it's not going to be as democratic that showed up in 2008 or 2012. that's why this race is a toss-up. the county i would pay attention to on elections night, prince william county, kind of in the southern outer ring of the d.c. suburbs, the ring of fire, the foreclosure belt. the eastern half of the country is majority/minority, close to potomac river. turnout fell off close to 65% where it was in 2008. meanwhile, in western prince william county, a little wealthier, majority white, out towards hay market, down route 66, you have an electorate that only fell off about 30% from where it was between 2008 and 2009. the question for terry mcauliffe's campaign, can he get those voters, hispanic, asian-american, african-american, in places -- in east prince william county? the same thing in richmond suburb and hampton roads out to the polls to vote. in order to do that, he has to run extremely negative campaign.